Question For NYC Mosque Supporters- what is your religion or non-religious outlo

[RobinQuillonsHair]

It's zoning.  They can do whatever they want.

[Aimeey7]

no one wants to answer the question posed in the opening post.
That's fine, I was just wondering.

My sense is most of those who think its just awful for others to employ peaceful means of persuasion and lobbying to get them to re-locate are first timers when it comes to standing up for religious rights and expressions. ( note I did not say anything about them not having the LEGAL right to build there)

My sense is most of them aren't particularly religious people themselves.

My snes is most of them wouldn't ever stand up for the rights of Christianity if somehow the religions were reversed in the NYC mosque case.

But, lots of people think I'm senseless anyway, so its just my notions I'm expressing here.

[RobinQuillonsHair]

My belief status has nothing to do with zoning.

[Aimeey7]

My belief status has nothing to do with zoning.

and, niether does this debate. (have anything to do with zoning)
It passed zoning, everyone is aware of that.

You don't wanna answer, fine, but you're dodging.

[lexiconic]

I can't speak for others, and I'm certainly not going to categorically place them into any sort of grouping based on a set of assumptions or persistent stereotypes. I can say this only of the people I know, including myself, who are willing to stand up for religious rights.

The people I know, including myself, are willing to stand up for anyone's right to practice religion, regardless of what their religion may be. For me, it's a matter of principle. I will support the building of a mosque on any privately owned property, financed by private money.

I do this because I keep in mind that there may come a day when a similar situation could occur involving a different religion, possibly a religion that would make such an issue relevant to me, however indirectly.

I also see no reason that anyone should be offended that the president would make a statement that affirms one of the founding principals of this country. It is not his duty to stand before the nation and assert his personal opinions. It is his duty to stand before the nation and reinforce the principals and laws that make this nation what it is.

Some people are upset because there is a religious group asserting their right to build a house of worship, something that other religions have been afforded in this country for time untold without anyone ever questioning their right to do so.

Some of these people who are upset are also people who have trumpeted the phrase "Guns don't kill people, people kill people" in the past, but now seem to find themselves unable to differentiate between a religion and a group of people. It was not the religion of Islam that destroyed the World Trade Center. It was a group of people with a twisted religious bent. I've had friends who are Muslims. They aren't burka wearing subservients, and they certainly aren't terrorists, no more than Westboro Baptists can be associated with everyday folks who practice Christianity. 

[Wiener]

This is not an issue that is political to most people, this issue is pure emotion.

Our citizens were murdered near there out of hate for the freedoms we stand for and live under.


It has nothing to do with rights as far as those upset about this are concerned.  Yes they have the right to build there, most acknowledge that fact, because it is fact.
That fact does not stop the feelings such a issue has brought to the surface of many people.

I still don't understand how they could push it as a tolerance and learning center when they can feel the distrust such actions would cause.  It is almost like they want to shoot themselves in the foot to make some point.

Look at how those nations that fund such groups treat their citizens. Afghans are so in the dark that they are first taught where the door is on the vehicle and the basic parts of a car.  Things our children know from a very young age.  They are kept in the dark by their governments or whoever is running the country at the time.  They don't have the slightest idea what freedom is, what is means to prosper and have hope.  I have to wonder at a religion that is so oppressive of it's peoples, makes it so easy for one small group to call all the shots.
 We are not perfect, but we have a better system then they do.  Individual freedom and responsibility is what we should be instilling along with morals and principles. 

[RobinQuillonsHair]

Are you sure our zoning laws are better than theirs?

[Wiener]

Are you sure our zoning laws are better than theirs?

Honestly Robin if you were the sqeaky wheel on the car that doesn't reponsed to oil, well you would have been changed by now and be on the junk pile.

[RobinQuillonsHair]

No, I would have been left along a roadway.

Thomas Sowell tackles this issue today.  His opinion is much of the same.  To be considered a real patriotic American you have to oppose the building of this mosque.  How you prevent this mosque from being built is someone else's problem.

[redcap]

Well, we could just take the tactic of the radicals.

If your church in Georgia (I think that is where it is) burn our holy book we will kill more of your soldiers.

So, if your folks build the mosque we will .................. 

[WDVE]

I believe the church is in Florida.

[redcap]

Could well be. I went back to check and the story has been removed from both of the sources I use.

Does he have a right to do what he says he will do? Yes. Is it stupid and almost treasonous to add to the danger of our troops? Absolutely.

Yet, I hear no one telling him to knock of the crap.

[Wiener]

No, I would have been left along a roadway.

Thomas Sowell tackles this issue today.  His opinion is much of the same.  To be considered a real patriotic American you have to oppose the building of this mosque.  How you prevent this mosque from being built is someone else's problem.

That is just it we can't prevent the Mosque from being built.  I think most understand that, we can voice our displeasure at such an insult to our senses, the pain the issue causes but we can't prevent it.

[Wiener]

Well, we could just take the tactic of the radicals.

If your church in Georgia (I think that is where it is) burn our holy book we will kill more of your soldiers.

So, if your folks build the mosque we will .................. 

That preacher is a fool and he is preaching hate toward fellow man, which last time I checked isn't what Jesus was teaching.

He is looking for attention and like the cartoonist from overseas he is gonna get some attention.  I don't think it will be the kind he was hoping for though.

[oldster]

I agree with Wiener on this one.