THIS MUCH IS TRUE.......OUCH, OUUUUCH

[Jehovahsman]

We did Russia a huge favor back in the 80's. We secretly funded the afghans in their defeat of the Russian invasion against afghanistan. That led to the fall of the Berlin Wall and the demise of the USSR.
HOWEVER !  IN THEIR SLIDE FROM COMMUNISM TO CAPITALISM, RUSSIA FELL ASS BACKWARDS INTO A PERFECT SYSTEM OF GOVERNING....... CAPITALIST SOCIALISM. NOW THE RUSSIANS AND CHINESE ARE HAPPY LITTLE FRIENDS AND NEIGHBORS.




THE CHINESE ALSO HAPPENED TO FALL INTO THE SAME LITTLE NICHE OF GOVERNING CALLED CAPITALIST SOCIALISM.
THE CHINESE GOT SUCKERED BY US THOUGH. THEY WERE GIVEN "MOST FAVORED NATION" TRADING STATUS WITH THE UNITED STATES. THAT  "LED" CHINA TO INVEST EVEN FURTHUR INTO THE AMERICAN DOLLAR AND THE AMERICAN DEBT. THEY NOW HOLD A TRILLION DOLLARS OF U.S. DEBT. BUT THEY CAN ABSORB THE LOSS IF AMERICAS ECONOMY GOES DOWN.

IN THEIR COZY LITTLE MARRIAGE TO CHINA, RUSSIA ALSO TRANSFERRED TECHNOLOGY TO CHINA IN A TRUE ACT OF FRIENDSHIP. NOT TO BE OUTDONE, "PERSONS UNKNOWN" IN AMERICA ALSO TRANSFERRED TECHNOLOGY TO CHINA ILLEGALLY.
NOW, RUSSIA AND CHINA ARE FAST FRIENDS LIVING THE GOOD LIFE, HEALTHY,WEALTHY AND WISE. GOOD NEIGHBORS.
     AMERICA, ON THE OTHER HAND, IS AT ODDS WITH ITS' NEIGHBORS, IS ON A SLIDE TOWARD SOCIALISM, HAS A BUNCH
OF "BROKE" FRIENDS, AND IS THE WORLDS BIGGEST DEBTOR.
CAPITALIST SOCIALISM. AMERICA IS DESTINED TOWARDS SOCIALISM WITHOUT THE CAPITALISM. WE WON'T BE FALLING "ASS BACKWARDS" INTO CAPITALIST SOCIALISM, WE'LL BE FALLING FACE DOWN INTO SOCIALISM BECAUSE THE BROKEST NATION IN THE WORLD REALLY HAS NO CAPITAL. WE OWE SO MUCH DEBT
 THAT WE HAVE NO CHOICE BUT DEFAULT , OR COLLAPSE UNDER THE BURDEN OF SOCIALISM WITHOUT CAPITALISM.





 

[WDVE]

"NOW, RUSSIA AND CHINA ARE FAST FRIENDS LIVING THE GOOD LIFE, HEALTHY,WEALTHY AND WISE. GOOD NEIGHBORS".




Are you saying living in Russia is better than here in America?  Really

[Jehovahsman]

DID I say living in russia is better than livin in america? Life in russia and china will get better as they grow into their new roles in the world> hey< why do i keep getting a > symbol when i try for a period> anyone know?

[Aimeey7]

Trust me as one who knows, life in the USA is much better than in Russia for the vast majority.
I go there to learn about my heritage and visit family, but there's no way I would ever live there, and its not getting better.

Take a look at government corruption and crime in the USA, multiply it by about 10, then you get an idea of life in Russia.

There's very few I met there that didn't wish they could live here.

[Wiener]

I don't know how you can refer to anything in either nation as anything close to capitalist.  When the Government owns almost everything I think we can refer to is as a dictatorship at best.

Yes they are moving up in the world but it isn't because they are doing things right, it is because we are doing all things wrong.
We are increasing our debt, wrong answer, good for all other nations.
We have shipped most of our core middle class jobs overseas, wrong answer, good for all other nations.
Now when you remove decent income and increase your debt what are you doing really except flying your airplane in a steep dive while your rudders are broken.  Unlike Bugs Bunny we don't get a great set of air brakes.
Obama I think has a Ego complex like no other Prez in our history.  Why else would he stand in front of us daily on the TV and keep telling us that we need what he's got.  I mean he sounds like nothing better then the cocaine, herion, or crack dealer standing on the street corner.
I ain't buying his sales pitch and never really had.  I also see the number of non buyers increasing daily.  This Nov is gonna be great, American's love a check and balance in our government and well Obama is gonna get his check this Nov.  Then he will either be shutdown in all his spending or he is gonna figure out a way to usurp congress to get what he thinks is best for us.
His arrogance is disgusting, and I know I grow tried of a man who is barely older than me telling me that I don't know what is best for me, my family of my community.  Talk about a sh__y diaper strapped to your azz on a daily basis, man.

[oldster]

Wiener, both Russia and China have moved to strong capitalist economies.  That is why they have becomes so successful in the world marketplace, such strong players. 

A dictatorship is political.  It can also include state control of the economy, as in the former Soviet Union, but having a dictator does not necessarily mean state ownership of the means of production.  Nazi Germany would be an example of a natioin that had a dectator but private capitalism.

[Jehovahsman]

Wiener, both Russia and China have moved to strong capitalist economies.  That is why they have becomes so successful in the world marketplace, such strong players. 

A dictatorship is political.  It can also include state control of the economy, as in the former Soviet Union, but having a dictator does not necessarily mean state ownership of the means of production.  Nazi Germany would be an example of a natioin that had a dectator but private capitalism.

Russia and China aren't fighting numerous warfronts, and spending trillions doing it. We'll be into the trillion dollar mark on our wars in the middle east soon. Plus, china and russia don't spent another trillion being the worlds cops, NOR DO THEY HAVE DEBT. Russia and china are poised to move up the ladder and they are in stable financial position. America has no bright future anymore. Just wait until social security goes belluyup. We got plenty weapons, but nowadays, a weapon of mass destrution could be a computer keystroke that turns out the lights and causes havoc in the financial realm, that could take weeks or months to fix, kind of like a BP oil leak.

[Wiener]

Wiener, both Russia and China have moved to strong capitalist economies.  That is why they have becomes so successful in the world marketplace, such strong players. 

A dictatorship is political.  It can also include state control of the economy, as in the former Soviet Union, but having a dictator does not necessarily mean state ownership of the means of production.  Nazi Germany would be an example of a natioin that had a dectator but private capitalism.

China is only as great as her customers and for the most part American's are it.

So what Chavez did with proclaiming himself dictator and then taking over most of the large companies in the nation. 
Some nations have to take baby steps to get there and some people just follow whatever is in front of them.

So when was the last time you were to Russia or China to know that their system is working so great.  China has Billions in the poverty zone.  I am not sure of Russia's numbers but I bet they are large as well.  What they claim to be capitalist, is far from the true meaning of the word.  they don't have freedoms, or liberty. 
Just how private was the ownership of the large companies in Germay?

[oldster]

China is only as great as her customers and for the most part American's are it.

So what Chavez did with proclaiming himself dictator and then taking over most of the large companies in the nation. 
Some nations have to take baby steps to get there and some people just follow whatever is in front of them.

So when was the last time you were to Russia or China to know that their system is working so great.  China has Billions in the poverty zone.  I am not sure of Russia's numbers but I bet they are large as well.  What they claim to be capitalist, is far from the true meaning of the word.  they don't have freedoms, or liberty. 
Just how private was the ownership of the large companies in Germay?

Weiner, why do you insist on twisting and turning the discussion so much?  I never said that things were so great in China and Russia.  I was addressing this statement by YOU - "I don't know how you can refer to anything in either nation as anything close to capitalist. "  All I am saying is that they are capitalist nations.   Once again you make an inaccurate statement and when someone points out the error you completely ignore your error and go off on an attack.  Please don't respond, but if you do, I shall not respond back, so fire away.

[Jehovahsman]

Russia and China are going to have growing pains. Russia came a long way from collapse of USSR to a new vibrant economy, China has pollution and population issues to deal with, but watching cctv, I can see some beautiful new cities springing up in China.

[RobinQuillonsHair]

AMERICA IS DESTINED TOWARDS SOCIALISM WITHOUT THE CAPITALISM. WE WON'T BE FALLING "ASS BACKWARDS" INTO CAPITALIST SOCIALISM, WE'LL BE FALLING FACE DOWN INTO SOCIALISM BECAUSE THE BROKEST NATION IN THE WORLD REALLY HAS NO CAPITAL. WE OWE SO MUCH DEBT
 THAT WE HAVE NO CHOICE BUT DEFAULT , OR COLLAPSE UNDER THE BURDEN OF SOCIALISM WITHOUT CAPITALISM.
 

With all the infrastructure currently in place in America combined with abundunce of natural resources and human capital we wouldn't necessarily be falling "ass backwards" into capitalist socialism.  However, we may be leaping forward into socialistic capitalism.  That infrastructure isn't going anywhere.

We have over a trillion dollars sitting idle in American banks.  We're tearing down $300,000 homes that have never been occupied because it is cheaper to do that then it is to maintain them.  It also allows for "new" homes to be built in their place.  We have two cars in every driveway, a bedroom for each kid in the family and a TV in each bedroom.  WE HAVE DEPARTMENT STORES AND TOILET PAPER WE GOT STYROFOAM BOXES FOR THE OZONE LAYER.  We have playgrounds for the young and old.  In short we are still the land of plenty. 

To keep it all going though we are going to need to spread the wealth.  In our quest to get richer and richer we are pricing ourselves out of the market of those at the bottom.  Once those at the bottom are tapped out we have to go to those in the middle for our spoils.  Once those in the middle are bankrupt we can only take from each other at the top.   The problem is there are fewer at the top.  The few aren't able to consume enough to satisfy everyone.  As a result of the few consuming only what they can we end up with a trillion dollars sitting idle in banks and one of the deepest recessions in history.

[Wiener]

Maybe that is why the billionaires in this nation are giving away their wealth, to who they want billions at a time.

If they are gonna be forced to give it away, beat the rush and then you can make sure where it goes.

[Jehovahsman]

It looks to me like Robins Hair is trying to make a distinction between capitalist socialism, and socialist capitalism.
Let's see, if you're going to coin a new term, what shall it be?  It seems to me that socialism NEEDS a degree of capitalism, but Capitalism doesn't need, want or desire socialism. I don't think socialistic capitalism is comparable to Capitalist Socialism. Socialistic capitalism is a oxymoron maybe. If capitalist could be socialistic, we wouldn't of have had UNIONS for socialist protections. Capitalist can't be Socialist, but Socialist can be capitalist. Since socialist can tolerate capitalism- and that is a good thing- the system should be called capitalist socialism- NOT- socialistic capitalism.  Capitalist is the adjective and socialism is the operative word or subject. Capitalist aren't human enough to indulge socialism, so since capitalist ARE ANTI-SOCIALIST, you cannot call it socialist capitalism because socialist can't be used to describe aything capitalist. Socialist ARE NOT anti-capitalist, so being that socialist can tolerate capitalist, it must be coined CAPITALIST SOCIALISM THAT GETS FALLEN ASS BACKWARDS INTO. THERE CAN BE NO SUCH THING AS SOCIALISTIC CAPITALISM SIMPLY BECAUSE CAPITALISM IS ANTI SOCIALIST.   SO, THE SYSTEM OF THE DAY IS "CAPITALIST SOCIALISM."

[Jehovahsman]

Trust me as one who knows, life in the USA is much better than in Russia for the vast majority.
I go there to learn about my heritage and visit family, but there's no way I would ever live there, and its not getting better.

Take a look at government corruption and crime in the USA, multiply it by about 10, then you get an idea of life in Russia.

There's very few I met there that didn't wish they could live here.

It's movin like an incline plane, one is on the way up, and one is on the way down. Russia has growing pains that are workin out quite well, it seems, have you heard about the billionaire capitalist russian guy who owns the new jersey nets? But Russia and China kind of woke up one day and said " so the people would like to be capitalist bussiness people, eh? OKAY, I'm cool wit that, takes the burden off me to create jobs and revenue". Now they got tax codes and red tape and banking issues to deal with. It took America awhile to get it right. But congress mucked it up on christmas eve without a quoram, they took a late night vote from those few present and created the federal reserve system- illegal to this day, and the cause of our pending demise. Just think, an illegally formed operation like the federal reserve board, voted on in the middle of the night, without a legal quorum, operating illegally for about 93 years now, is the thing that led us to our banking demise. The fractional banking system went way way way too far. And gold would have to be about $10,000 an ounce to balance the books cashwise. Just a guess there, but I'd like to know what the exact number is. Bet I'm close. theres so much greenbacks floatin around out there, all over the world. Gold would have to be worth 10k an ounce to cover the cash. Gold boullion would be nice to have, but I invested in silver. So far I've gone from 3 bucks an ounce to over 15 an ounce. and i got plenty. could shoot up to being the new standard in lieu of gold.

[RobinQuillonsHair]

THERE CAN BE NO SUCH THING AS SOCIALISTIC CAPITALISM SIMPLY BECAUSE CAPITALISM IS ANTI SOCIALIST.   SO, THE SYSTEM OF THE DAY IS "CAPITALIST SOCIALISM."

Nonsense.  For capitalism to continue to flourish in the land of plenty it will be dependent on more people having access to spendable money, i.e., it will be dependant on a degree of socialism hence socialistic capitalism.